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not just going forward for the obama administration, but going forward, you know, 10, 15, 20 years. how will we approach these sorts of future -- hopefully they don't occur, but future benghazis and drone strikes in the future against american citizens. it's really about ten years in the future rather than five years in the past. >> steve clemons, michael lighter, and joining me now senator jay rockefeller who serves on the intelligence committee and is a former chairman of the committee. senator, you are the expert. what does the committee want to hear today from john brennan before deciding to vote whether he should be the next cia director? >> i think what we're going to hear -- i've had good talks with john brennan. i have known him for a number of years, and the fact of the matter is, you know, he himself was not aware of the intelligence and the eitc enhanced interrogation and torture stuff. there's a lot that he -- until we wrote a 6,000 page document with 23,000 foot notes. he has read the summaries of that, and he is shocked. there's a lot people don't know even though they
not just going forward for the obama administration, but going forward, you know, 10, 15, 20 years. how will we approach these sorts of future -- hopefully they don't occur, but future benghazis and drone strikes in the future against american citizens. it's really about ten years in the future rather than five years in the past. >> steve clemons, michael lighter, and joining me now senator jay rockefeller who serves on the intelligence committee and is a former chairman of the committee....
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the obama administration is targeting the country's state broadcaster and internet policing agency. economic sanctions enacted last summer have been triggered. washington hopes the moves will force iran to halt their nuclear program. >>> former lapd officer christopher dorner is wanted in connection to a double hom site. a basketball coach and her fiance were found shot to death sunday night. >>> some students at duke university says the fraternity went too far in throwing an asian themed party. people were dressed as sumo wrestlers and invitation in the party was written in broken english. members of duke's asian-american student association are protesting what they call a racist rager. >>> beginning in august, the post office will no longer deliver mail on saturdays. however, your packages will still show up in your mail box. post office locations will remain open. it's expected to save the cash strapped agency about $2 billion a year. >>> there is research out that will pinpoint the time and day of the week when a woman looks her worst. wednesday afternoon at 3:30 has been precis
the obama administration is targeting the country's state broadcaster and internet policing agency. economic sanctions enacted last summer have been triggered. washington hopes the moves will force iran to halt their nuclear program. >>> former lapd officer christopher dorner is wanted in connection to a double hom site. a basketball coach and her fiance were found shot to death sunday night. >>> some students at duke university says the fraternity went too far in throwing an...
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and john brennan's policies will be about torture, about drones, about the obama administration and president obama being seen as a war hawk? >> i think senator burr was trying to say something like and get things going. republicans in some cases wasted time. instead of asking the tough questions on answers that we need to know, there was grandstanding. i know rand paul by way of example could have asked hillary clinton very tough questions about benghazi and used it for an infommercial. chuck hagel has very controversial reasons why he shouldn't be secretary of defense but yet we do too much grandstanding. i think we've wasted some time on the republican side. >> there have been really intense hearings, that's for sure. karen finney, jim warren, and brabender, thank you. >>> the president is getting ready to make his state of the union address, okay? we want to find out from you what you think the state of our union is. so we're giving you this homework assignment. we'd like to you finish this sentence. so here's mine. our state of the union is proud and ready for what is next. wha
and john brennan's policies will be about torture, about drones, about the obama administration and president obama being seen as a war hawk? >> i think senator burr was trying to say something like and get things going. republicans in some cases wasted time. instead of asking the tough questions on answers that we need to know, there was grandstanding. i know rand paul by way of example could have asked hillary clinton very tough questions about benghazi and used it for an infommercial....
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john brennan the architect of the obama administration's drone program strongly defended their use saying strikes only take place to prevent terror threats, not as punishment for them. >> i think there's a misimpression on the part of some of the american people who believe that we take strikes to punish terrorists for past transgressi transgressions. nothing could be further from the truth. we only take such actions as a last resort to save lives when there's no other alternative to taking an action that's going to mitigate that threat. >> democratic senator ron widen, when has demanded more insight to the legal justification, pressed brennan on the issue. >> you believe that the president should provide an individual american with the opportunity to surrender before killing them? >> any american who joins al qaeda will know full well that they have joined an organization that is at war with the united states and that has killed thousands upon thousands of individuals, many, many of them who are americans. so i think any american who did that should know well that they, in fact, are part
john brennan the architect of the obama administration's drone program strongly defended their use saying strikes only take place to prevent terror threats, not as punishment for them. >> i think there's a misimpression on the part of some of the american people who believe that we take strikes to punish terrorists for past transgressi transgressions. nothing could be further from the truth. we only take such actions as a last resort to save lives when there's no other alternative to...
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administration during the campaign season last year. and then some various questions about benghazi, the attacks on libya last september that skilled the american ambassador. a lot of republicans feel there are still e-mails that haven't been released. >>> and now here's your first look at some of the other news going on around america. we start in florida where a 70-year-old woman lost control of her suv and plowed through a restaurant window just as it was getting ready to open. a very agile bartender inside was able to leap out of the way and sustain only minor injuries. >>> in michigan one snowplow definitely sweeps away the competition. a new toy for engineers that looks like atrailer but swings around wide enough to clear two lanes of traffic at once. it's half the price of normal plows. >>> in new york, almost 3,000 dogs and their owners are primping for the prestigious westminster dog show. a rough workout in the special doggie gym gets these pups ready to compete. after a good run these pure breds need a little bit of a break s
administration during the campaign season last year. and then some various questions about benghazi, the attacks on libya last september that skilled the american ambassador. a lot of republicans feel there are still e-mails that haven't been released. >>> and now here's your first look at some of the other news going on around america. we start in florida where a 70-year-old woman lost control of her suv and plowed through a restaurant window just as it was getting ready to open. a...
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administration's drone campaign. "the washington post" reveals that the u.s. has been operating the secret drone base for the last two years. brennan played a key role in negotiating the base with the saudi kingdom. meanwhile, charlottesville, virginia, has become the first city in the country to pass a resolution restricting use of drones by law enforcement. >>> president obama's asking law makers to take quick action as a march for a deadline approaches that will trigger deep spending cuts signalling that more time is negotiated a broader deal. he urged lawmakers to delay the sequester. but coming up with a limited package of spending cuts and tax reforms. nearly $1 trillion of domestic and defense spending hanging in the balance, the president said the impact is already being felt. >> we've also seen the effects of political dysfunction can have on our economic progress. the drawn out process for resolving the fiscal cliff hurt consumer confidence. the threat of massive automatic cuts have already strt r staart af
administration's drone campaign. "the washington post" reveals that the u.s. has been operating the secret drone base for the last two years. brennan played a key role in negotiating the base with the saudi kingdom. meanwhile, charlottesville, virginia, has become the first city in the country to pass a resolution restricting use of drones by law enforcement. >>> president obama's asking law makers to take quick action as a march for a deadline approaches that will trigger...
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administration needs now to get going with another diplomatic initiative. as you said, andrea, they started out way back in 2009 with senator george mitchell as their envoy in a very aggressive way, and then really didn't do much after that policy could not be sustained. they need to get back to that. they also need to attend, of course, the syrian civil war. further calls over the weekend by senator john mccain that the administration should do more to arm the rebels and help the rebels, and other people, of course -- from the munich security conference that was held over this past weekend, and then, of course, you have the news from iran that appears to be accepting the invitation to engage in talks with the united states and the other permanent members of the security council. there's a very big, very tough agenda ahead of this new swuf state. >> and, in fact, there was some reporting over the weekend that hillary clinton had tried to move the white house to be more aggressive on syria on arming the rebels, and that john kerry is actually more in sync wi
administration needs now to get going with another diplomatic initiative. as you said, andrea, they started out way back in 2009 with senator george mitchell as their envoy in a very aggressive way, and then really didn't do much after that policy could not be sustained. they need to get back to that. they also need to attend, of course, the syrian civil war. further calls over the weekend by senator john mccain that the administration should do more to arm the rebels and help the rebels, and...
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he said it was a good first step in terms of moving toward more transparency from the obama administration regarding the drone program. you agree with that assessment? was it enough or is more needed to be done? >> well, i think obviously it's a very important issue we have to it continue to discuss, and i wanted to start with the idea that yesterday's hearing was pretty remarkable. it's a great country that can have an issue of that delicacy with lots of different points of view aired in public with senators of different points of view asking questions. i thought john brennan did a good job. he was very straightforward. i got the feeling he was giving us the answers that were what he really thought and believed. he wasn't playing games with words so, yeah, i think there's going to be a lot of work. i mean, this is a new technique of warfare. and it's something that we have to try to figure out how do we do it judiciously? the other thing we have to think about is we're not going to be the only people on the planet that have this technology indefinitely and what we're doing now, in a sense
he said it was a good first step in terms of moving toward more transparency from the obama administration regarding the drone program. you agree with that assessment? was it enough or is more needed to be done? >> well, i think obviously it's a very important issue we have to it continue to discuss, and i wanted to start with the idea that yesterday's hearing was pretty remarkable. it's a great country that can have an issue of that delicacy with lots of different points of view aired in...
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bush and any way to adjudicate the possibilities of what war means to the obama administration? >> well, i think that, i think that is absolutely right, it has been a continuation of the bush administration policies, and yes, administrations always try to push the outer bounds of the authority. but one thank is clear is that the laws of war have not changed even if the practice has changed. there are really three reasons that a country can, a state can use force outside of its borders. one, if it is the victim of an armed attack and second if the u.n. security council authorizes it, and three, assisting a state that requests it, and we have stretched that boundary as well far beyond what the laws of war call for. so i think that there is a very serious question about this question of perpetual war, but we should remember historically in the 20th century, the u.s. was at war virtually every decade of the 20th century, so if we think of ourselves as peaceful country that does not engage in war, we need to rethink that. >> that is right. david, i want to ask this question, because
bush and any way to adjudicate the possibilities of what war means to the obama administration? >> well, i think that, i think that is absolutely right, it has been a continuation of the bush administration policies, and yes, administrations always try to push the outer bounds of the authority. but one thank is clear is that the laws of war have not changed even if the practice has changed. there are really three reasons that a country can, a state can use force outside of its borders....
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. >>> just moments ago, senator lindsey graham released a statement, asking the obama administration to reconsider nominating chuck hagel for secretary of defense. still, hagel will probably be confirmed. yesterday, senator john mccain said he will not support a filibuster of his former senate colleague and democrats appear to have at least 57 votes to confirm hagel, including two republicans. first kid you ready? [ female announcer ] second kid by their second kid, every mom is an expert and more likely to choose luvs. after thousands of diaper changes, they know what works. luvs lock away wetness better than huggies for a fraction of the cost live, learn, & get luvs. for a fraction of the cost when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost.. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american express cardmember you can expect some help. but what you might not expec is you can get all this with a prepaid card. spends like cash. feels like membership. >>> the politics now, where hillary clinton launched a new website, hi
. >>> just moments ago, senator lindsey graham released a statement, asking the obama administration to reconsider nominating chuck hagel for secretary of defense. still, hagel will probably be confirmed. yesterday, senator john mccain said he will not support a filibuster of his former senate colleague and democrats appear to have at least 57 votes to confirm hagel, including two republicans. first kid you ready? [ female announcer ] second kid by their second kid, every mom is an...
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it's very clear that one of the promises that the obama administration made when they came in is they would take the obama policies and run them through a filter where they would legitimatize them, they would add protections that would enhance civil liberties. they've let these programs continue in nontransparent ways. they've done little to establish rationale regulations of them, very clear rules that would make us feel better that they were doing a better job of taking this tremendous power that they have and using it in the most responsible way. >> well, i think one of the things that was really remarkable on the hearing yesterday, howard, was the gray -- the sort of opacity, and the fact that john brennan himself didn't know if he would call waterboarding torture. >> i think he did know. i didn't think he was going to say. >> they very much are still grappling. the playbook is still being written. so it's sort of -- the ethics around it are still -- we're still sort of thinking about it, and in the meantime drone strikes continue today. there was a drone strike in pakistan that k
it's very clear that one of the promises that the obama administration made when they came in is they would take the obama policies and run them through a filter where they would legitimatize them, they would add protections that would enhance civil liberties. they've let these programs continue in nontransparent ways. they've done little to establish rationale regulations of them, very clear rules that would make us feel better that they were doing a better job of taking this tremendous power...
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a record of holding the obama administration accountable. here is a clip of "the ed show" on tuesday night, the day before o'reilly's original claim. >> i have to say as an american citizen, we are all entitled to due process under the law. and this document gives the president the ability to act as judge, jury and executioner. i'm troubled by it. it doesn't meet the moral or constitutional standard that we expect of any administration. >> meanwhile, let's take a look at the way fox news covered the waterboarding story that bill is talking about back in 2009. >> khalid sheikh mohammed i understand was waterboarded 183 times. did anyone care about that? >> i would have done exactly what bush did. >> you disappoint me. you know better. >> i would have dunked that guy in the water a thousand times to save your life. >> have you ever been water boarded? >> no, but ollie north has, and i talked to him about it. >> would you consent to be water boarded so we could get the truth out of you? >> sure. >> can we water board you? are you busy on sunday
a record of holding the obama administration accountable. here is a clip of "the ed show" on tuesday night, the day before o'reilly's original claim. >> i have to say as an american citizen, we are all entitled to due process under the law. and this document gives the president the ability to act as judge, jury and executioner. i'm troubled by it. it doesn't meet the moral or constitutional standard that we expect of any administration. >> meanwhile, let's take a look at...
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it leaves the obama administration open to the criticism. if you own a business and don't want to provide coverage to women because of the law saying they are titled to it, they cannot be eligible. >> we're haven't heard from the groups. they are registering disappointment. could this once again go to the nation's highest court. >> this is almost certainly going to go to the nation's highest court. the real story is there three different rule changes. all of them on friday to minimize attention to it. the administration knows this is a battle to end up in the stream court. all the technicalities don't change the fundaments. they are shoring up the legal standing to get enough votes at the supreme court to be able to uphold the entire contra accepting mandate and an official that this is more about a legal maneuver than a desire to assuage real concerns on the part of religious leaders. >> this is what they write. the white house decision ought to be taken by the nation's bishops as a victory because it is. they include the country's most pro
it leaves the obama administration open to the criticism. if you own a business and don't want to provide coverage to women because of the law saying they are titled to it, they cannot be eligible. >> we're haven't heard from the groups. they are registering disappointment. could this once again go to the nation's highest court. >> this is almost certainly going to go to the nation's highest court. the real story is there three different rule changes. all of them on friday to...
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. >> i want to quickly run with you with the big story this week, the obama administration's drone program in which we learned some new details about it and the leaked justice department memo and john brennan's confirmation hearings. the big question is the killing of american citizens. do you believe, snork snorks that those strikes are warranted? >> well, i don't have the details and information necessary to make that judgment. but i do believe that it's a threshold that we have to be very, very careful about, alex. this sets a dangerous precedent going forward. we've always been a country of the rule of law. and the rule of law has constitutional elements to it that are guaranteed all citizens. and so i'm concerned about it. i think we have to give it very careful thought and really question whether this is something we ought to do in a permanent way. security is important. but so are the constitutional rights afforded every american. >> well, senator tom daschell, many thanks for your time. good luck with the book. i hope itfares well with students across the country. thank you. >> my
. >> i want to quickly run with you with the big story this week, the obama administration's drone program in which we learned some new details about it and the leaked justice department memo and john brennan's confirmation hearings. the big question is the killing of american citizens. do you believe, snork snorks that those strikes are warranted? >> well, i don't have the details and information necessary to make that judgment. but i do believe that it's a threshold that we have...
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the obama administration's shadow program of targeted killings got exposure this week right her. michael isikoff reporting the story here on msnbc. isikoff obtained the government document that lays out the legal arguments to justify the use of drones to kill al qaeda suspects including at times american citizens. i want to go ahead and take a reality check now and the government's the mostly secret drone program until now. joining me now, vicki duval, former general council on intelligence committee and former deputy legal adviser to the cia's counterterrorism center and kevin williamson, deputy manager of the national review. thanks so much for both of you being here. reality check here. >> polls show most americans have very little problem using drones against citizens turned terrorists. here it is right here. 79% of people approve using drones against americans overseas who are suspected of plotting terrorist attacks. what does this is a about us, kevin? >> well, it says that voters aren't to be trusted, but we knew that already. you can put the word terrorist in front of any
the obama administration's shadow program of targeted killings got exposure this week right her. michael isikoff reporting the story here on msnbc. isikoff obtained the government document that lays out the legal arguments to justify the use of drones to kill al qaeda suspects including at times american citizens. i want to go ahead and take a reality check now and the government's the mostly secret drone program until now. joining me now, vicki duval, former general council on intelligence...
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john brennan, the architect of the obama administration's drone program, strongly defended their use, saying strikes only take place to prevent terror threats, not as punishment for them. >> i think there is a misimpression on the part of some american people who believe that we take strikes to punish terrorists for past transgressions. nothing could be further from the truth. we only take such actions as a last resort to save lives when there's no other alternative to taking an action that's going to mitigate that threat. >> democratic senator ron wyden who has demanded more insight into the administration's legal justification for drone strikes against americans pressed brennan on the issue. >> do you believe that the president should provide an individual american with the opportunity to surrender before killing them? >> any american who joins al qaeda will know full well that they have joined an organization that is at war with the united states and has killed thousands upon thousands of individuals, many, many of them who were americans. so i think any american who did that shoul
john brennan, the architect of the obama administration's drone program, strongly defended their use, saying strikes only take place to prevent terror threats, not as punishment for them. >> i think there is a misimpression on the part of some american people who believe that we take strikes to punish terrorists for past transgressions. nothing could be further from the truth. we only take such actions as a last resort to save lives when there's no other alternative to taking an action...
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i'm not going to call you a cynic or anything here, but do you think the obama administration knows neither side will really question them on drones. so they really have no reason to answer the critics. >> alex, one woman's cynicism is another man's realism. you hang around with these guys long enough, you get a bit cynical about it. i don't want to caterwaul about this too much, to paraphrase rand paul. a lot of what's going on is classified. these things happen in private sessions. the public can't know xwakly what's going on here. it may be that the administration is more forthcoming about this than we know in the public. it does seem clear, if this were a different administration, say, there may be a lot more noise going on. you would expect more civil liberties objections from the democrats on this, just as they had been for the warrantless wiretapping during the bush administration. it's really surprising that both sides are so quiet about this when it's really quite a potentially alarming thing that the public doesn't know about. >> you mentioned the bush administration. lauren, "new
i'm not going to call you a cynic or anything here, but do you think the obama administration knows neither side will really question them on drones. so they really have no reason to answer the critics. >> alex, one woman's cynicism is another man's realism. you hang around with these guys long enough, you get a bit cynical about it. i don't want to caterwaul about this too much, to paraphrase rand paul. a lot of what's going on is classified. these things happen in private sessions. the...
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members of congress demanding more details into how the administration justifies the targeted killing of american citizens. the white house says president obama has directed the department of justice to brief members of the intelligence committees. the move comes after a bipartisan group of 11 senators led by democratic senator ron wyden of oregon called for more insight into the government's legal rationale for drone strikes against americans abroad. senator wyden said on twitter, "every american has the right to know when their government believes it's allowed to kill them." this followed the leaked white house memo obtained by nbc news this week detailing criteria required for such a strike. this is all unfolding before today's senate confirmation hearing for john brennan, nominated to be the next head of the cia. and andrea mitchell, i wonder if this could, in any way, get in the way of brennan again. >> well, this is so much in a state of flux right now. clearly, i mean, the president's called to senator wyden last night, so unusual to try to reassure him and try to ward off what
members of congress demanding more details into how the administration justifies the targeted killing of american citizens. the white house says president obama has directed the department of justice to brief members of the intelligence committees. the move comes after a bipartisan group of 11 senators led by democratic senator ron wyden of oregon called for more insight into the government's legal rationale for drone strikes against americans abroad. senator wyden said on twitter, "every...
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why do you think president obama's adopted some of the bush administration's approaches to counterterrorism? >> well, you know, i'm not sure i see the parallel to the extent that this article implies. i think obama's been extremely careful in circumscribing the use of force. we made mistakes in the bush era at first, arrested u.s. citizens, held them, we made some mistakes, torture being the worst of the lot. so, i think the obama team's been mindful of that. they're trying to be careful. but at the end of the day, better you take soldiers out of afghanistan and iraq and allow the agency and the fbi to operate overseas. so, again, we ought to be careful. don't circumscribe the ability of the president of the united states to keep us safe, but do have congressional oversight. >> general barry mccaffrey, we will leave it there. thank you. appreciate your time, as always. >> good to be with you. >>> just ahead, gabby giffords' new purpose and what she's willing to do to reduce gun violence in this country. >>> and the other kerry that works in washington, d.c. is there a sibling rivalry in the
why do you think president obama's adopted some of the bush administration's approaches to counterterrorism? >> well, you know, i'm not sure i see the parallel to the extent that this article implies. i think obama's been extremely careful in circumscribing the use of force. we made mistakes in the bush era at first, arrested u.s. citizens, held them, we made some mistakes, torture being the worst of the lot. so, i think the obama team's been mindful of that. they're trying to be careful....